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Hi, I'm Xingxing.
And I'm Simon Jack.
And Good Bad Billionaire is back.
Yes,
the podcast exploring the lives and livelihoods of some of the world's richest people is back for a brand new season,
and this time with a twist.
On Good Bad Dead Billionaire, we are looking back on the lives of some titans of US industry.
Like the first ever billionaire, John D. Rockefeller.
The founder of the Ford Motor Company, Henry Ford.
And the first lady of Wall Street, Hetty Green.
And Simon and I are asking you if they were good, bad, or just another billionaire.
That's Good Bad Dead Billionaire.
from the BBC World Service.
Listen now, search for Good Bad Billionaire wherever you get your BBC podcasts.
I'm Ela Alshamahi and this is The Conversation from the BBC World Service,
the show that amplifies women's voices,
which is really just a fancy way of saying that we bring two incredible women who share an expertise together from two different parts of the world and see what happens.
Today I'm speaking to two women who work in robotics.
Maria Pezhnek is a German engineer and co-founder of Vandalbots,