How the Epstein Story Revealed Cracks in the MAGA Base

爱泼斯坦事件如何揭露了“让美国再次伟大”阵营的裂痕

The Daily

2025-07-21

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For the past two weeks, President Trump has been trying and failing to get his supporters to stop talking about Jeffrey Epstein. David Enrich, a deputy investigations editor for The New York Times, and Shawn McCreesh, a Times White House correspondent, explain why MAGA won’t let go of this scandal, how the president misread his own base — and what all this shows about the limits of Mr. Trump’s power. Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.
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  • This is The Daily.

  • For the past two weeks,

  • President Trump has been trying and failing to get his base to stop talking about Jeffrey Epstein.

  • Today, my colleagues David Enrich and Sean McCreesh explain why MAGA won't let go of this scandal,

  • how the president misread his own base, and what all this shows about the limits of Trump's power.

  • It's Monday, July 21st.

  • David, we're in the middle of a crisis that the White House has so far been unable to control,

  • which is this growing anger over the administration's refusal to release the complete files in the Jeffrey Epstein investigation.

  • You're an investigative editor at The Times and you've been involved in some of the biggest investigations that The Times has done surrounding Epstein.

  • So we've come to you to understand why won't this go away?

  • This won't go away

  • because it involves a collection of some of the world's richest and most powerful people and institutions and a whole slew of unanswered questions.

  • So to just step back for a sec.