The ‘Little Epstein Theory’ vs. ‘Big Epstein Theory’

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  This is The Opinions, a show that brings you a mix of voices from New York Times opinion.

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  You've heard the news.

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  Here's what to make of it.

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  Are we ready?

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  Because we have a lot of ground to cover.

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  It's been a big week.

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  It has been a week of ups and downs for the Trump administration.

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  So I want to talk about an up, which is the huge expansion of President Trump's power this week,

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  specifically the Supreme Court's order that he can effectively dismantle the Department of Education.

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  But there's also been a serious and quite spicy downer,

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  and that is the ripping apart of the MAGA right over the Epstein investigation.

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  And, as always, I should say that we are recording on a Thursday afternoon,

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  so who the heck knows where things will be by the time we reach your ears.

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  So, let's jump in with the Epstein uproar first.

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  To recap for people who have not been following this drama,

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  Trump has been telling his supporters, basically, drop it.

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  Drop the succession with the Jeffrey Epstein investigation.

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  Epstein is, of course, the financier who died in jail in 2019,

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  some say mysteriously, while awaiting trial on sex trafficking charges.

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  So for years,

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