What makes a ‘flavour hero’? Plus: Rossella’s secret to restaurant longevity and Indonesia’s star barista

We celebrate modern flavour heroes with Gurdeep Loyal. Then: the secret to long-lasting success with Rossella, a family-run Italian restaurant from the 1960s. Plus: we meet Mikael Jasin, Indonesia’s star barista. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.