The President's Path: Why are Epstein files dividing MAGA and Trump?

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  Good Bad Billionaire is back for a brand new season.

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  And this time, we're shaking things up on the podcast,

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  looking back on the lives and fortunes of US industry titans.

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  From one of the founders of the American retail giant Walmart, Sam Walton.

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  To the aviator, filmmaker, property tycoon,

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  playboy and original eccentric billionaire, Howard Hughes.

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  Simon and I are asking if they were good, bad or just another billionaire.

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  With me, Zing Zing.

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  And me, Simon Jack.

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  Hi there.

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  I'm Katrina Perry and you're listening to The President's Path.

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  We've moved.

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  We're in our new home in the explanation feed so you won't find us at The Global Story anymore but you can find us right here and everywhere that you've always discovered our podcast.

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  Today, I'm joined by my fellow chief presenter here in Washington DC,

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  Sumi Soma Skanda and our senior reporter, Bernd De Boosman.

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  Hi guys.

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  Bernd, welcome back.

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