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The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source

2025-07-19

1 小时 31 分钟
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Nick Nisi joins us to discuss all the Windsurf drama, his new agentic lifestyle, whether or not he's actually more productive, the new paper that says he maybe isn't more productive, the reckoning he sees coming, and why we might be the last generation of code monkeys.
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  • Welcome to Changelog and Friends, a weekly talk show about the last generation of code monkeys.

  • Thank you to our partners at Fly.io, the public cloud built for developers and AI agents who ship.

  • We love Fly.

  • You might, too.

  • Learn more at Fly.io.

  • OK, let's talk.

  • Well friends, I'm here with Damian Shingleman, VP of R&D at Auth0,

  • where he leads the team exploring the future of AI and identity.

  • So cool.

  • So Damian, everyone is building for the direction of Gen AI,

  • artificial intelligence, agents, agentic.

  • What is Auth0 doing to make that future possible?

  • So everyone's building Gen AI apps, Gen AI agents.

  • That's a fact.

  • It's not something that might happen, it's going to happen.

  • And when it does happen,

  • when you are building these things and you need to get them into production,

  • you need security, you need the right guardrails.

  • And identity, essentially authentication authorization, is a big part of those guardrails.

  • What we're doing at Auth0 is using our 10 plus years of identity developer tooling to make it simple for developers,