Interesting Times: A Mind-Bending Conversation with Peter Thiel

《奇诡时代:与彼得·蒂尔的脑洞大开对话》

Hard Fork

2025-07-11

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This week, we’re bringing you a recent interview from “Interesting Times with Ross Douthat,” one of The New York Times’s newest podcasts. In this episode, Ross sits down with Peter Thiel, the co-founder of PayPal and Palantir and one of the most contrarian thinkers in tech. Together, they unpack Thiel’s theory that we’re living through an era of technological stagnation, and debate whether President Trump’s populism and the development of artificial intelligence will help us unlock new progress. Guest: Peter Thiel, co-founder of Paypal and Palantir. Additional Reading: Peter Thiel and the Antichrist  We want to hear from you. Email us at hardfork@nytimes.com. Find “Hard Fork” on YouTube and TikTok. Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.
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  • Well, Kevin, it's July 11th, and what are you doing right now?

  • Well, I'm time traveling because we are recording this in June.

  • But on July 11th, if all goes according to plan, I will be on a beach chair, Modelo in hand,

  • sunblock applied liberally all over my body, watching my child eat sand,

  • and enjoying... our one and only summer vacation.

  • Casey, what are you doing right now?

  • Well, if all goes according to plan for me... I will be in Japan for the first time.

  • And so if you're in Japan, you see somebody who looks like me, it might actually be me.

  • Yes.

  • And let's just say, you're going to stick out in Japan.

  • You're very tall.

  • I'm looking forward to it.

  • So we are away this week, but in our place,

  • we are bringing you something really interesting, specifically an episode of Interesting Times,

  • which is a new Times opinion podcast where columnist Ross Douthit explores the ideas of today's most influential leaders and thinkers of the modern American right.

  • And a few weeks ago, he spoke with Peter Thiel and we thought,

  • that's a conversation our listeners should hear.

  • Yeah, Peter Thiel is, of course, the well-known venture capitalist.

  • He was one of the co-founders of PayPal.

  • He now runs Founders Fund and has a bunch of other important positions within tech.