One of the cheapest ways to save a life is going away (EXTENDED VERSION)

拯救生命最经济的方式之一就是远离(扩展版)

The Indicator from Planet Money

2025-07-04

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This episode was first published as a bonus episode for our Planet Money+ listeners. Today, we're making it available for everyone! U.S. aid helped Eswatini and Lesotho, two small countries in southern Africa, in their efforts to treat and curb the spread of HIV. Will President Trump's "America First" foreign policy threaten years of progress there against the virus? In this bonus episode, we're featuring an extended conversation between Darian Woods and Jon Cohen, senior correspondent with Science magazine. They talk about Jon's reporting trip to Eswatini and Lesotho in May and the early impacts he saw of the Trump administration's foreign aid cuts. We also hear about the critical role of PEPFAR (the U.S. President's Emergency Plan For AIDS Relief) in the global response to HIV/AIDS and some other things we couldn't fit into the original episode. You can read Jon's recent article in Science magazine here. To hear more bonus episodes like this, and get Planet Money and The Indicator without sponsor messages, support the show by signing up for Planet Money+. This summer, we're also giving Planet Money+ supporters early access to new episodes. Another reason to join! Sign up via Apple Podcasts or at plus.npr.org. Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoices NPR Privacy Policy
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  • Hey Indicator listeners, Darian Woods here.

  • We are off for the holiday, so instead,

  • today we are sharing a recent bonus episode with you.

  • If you're a Planet Money Plus supporter, thank you, you already got this earlier.

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  • We'll be back with a regular episode of The Indicator on Monday.

  • John Cohen, a veteran journalist who covers global health,

  • was on a reporting trip last month in southern Africa.

  • One of his stops, a local health clinic in the small country of Lesotho.

  • John says in the waiting room,

  • you could see how cuts to US HIV AIDS funding are already playing out there.

  • The room, he said, was jam-packed with pregnant women.