2025-07-02
50 分钟I'm Austin Mitchell, and for the past couple years,
my colleague Azeem Gureshi and I have been reporting on the story of medical care for transgender kids,
where it came from,
the lives it changed, how it became a protocol that spread around the world,
and how the politics and a Supreme Court legal fight now threaten its existence.
You can hear that story on The Protocol, a new six-part series from The New York Times.
Listen wherever you get your podcasts.
Hey everyone, it's Anna.
Listen, you know how our show works.
Every week we bring you a story or conversation inspired by the modern love column.
We explore all the complicated, messy ways human beings relate to one another.
And we try to learn something from it.
This week, I want to play you a conversation that I definitely learned a lot from.
And honestly, I am so envious I didn't get to have it myself.
It's from another Times podcast called The Interview,
and it's a conversation between host David Marchese and the author and poet Ocean Vuong.
There is so much I could say about this interview,
but I don't want to spoil it, so I'll just say this.
This conversation is a masterclass in compassion.
on both Ocean and David's part.