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Welcome to The World In 10.
In an increasingly uncertain world, this is The Times' daily podcast dedicated to global security.
Today with me, Laura Cook and Alex Dibble.
The NATO summit in The Hague has all been about Donald Trump.
The format was adjusted to keep him happy and interested, and there was only one item on the agenda,
which was the thing he's been calling for, that NATO members will spend 5% of GDP on defence.
The Secretary General praised President Trump for this, saying, you made this change possible.
Our guest today is John Lough, a former NATO official.
He was in fact the first NATO official to be permanently based in Moscow.
He's now head of foreign policy at the new Eurasian Strategy Centre.
John, what do you make of quite how much NATO tailored everything to Donald Trump?
Well, definitely it's an effort to keep the United States in NATO.
We know that in 2018, according to the testimony of the National Security Advisor at the time,