What It's Like To Have An Empathetic Leader

拥有同理心领导者的感受是怎样的

What A Day

2025-06-25

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What does national leadership really look like? Despite all of President Donald Trump's rhetoric, it's not like running a business. It's not even like running a state. It's running a massive apparatus that employs millions of people and also a military, while dealing with every other country that needs to or wants to deal with your country. Frequently, it also requires doing all of that in the the middle of a crisis. Former New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern had to contend with a horrifying domestic terror attack and COVID-19, alongside a political environment in which she needed to appeal to rural farmers, indigenous communities and her Labour Party constituency. She joins us to talk about her new memoir, 'A Different Kind of Power,' about her rise in politics and the lessons she learned about leadership. And in headlines: Early intelligence suggests the U.S. strikes on Iran only set the country's nuclear program back by a few months, more than 100 House Democrats joined Republicans to defeat a long-shot bid to impeach Trump over the strikes, and HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. faced tough questions from lawmakers over his decision to gut experts from a key vaccine advisory panel. Show Notes: Check out Dame Ardern's book – https://tinyurl.com/2jujpez2Subscribe to the What A Day Newsletter – https://tinyurl.com/3kk4nyz8What A Day – YouTube – https://www.youtube.com/@whatadaypodcastFollow us on Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/crookedmedia/For a transcript of this episode, please visit crooked.com/whataday
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  • It's Wednesday, June 25th.

  • I'm Jane Coaston, and this is What a Day, the show that is pivoting to really emphasizing bear news.

  • The New York Times had a story out Tuesday about two brown bears who broke out of their enclosure at a sanctuary in Devon,

  • England, and ate a week's supply of honey in about an hour.

  • That's your bear news for today.

  • On today's show,

  • early intelligence suggests the U.S. strikes on Iran did not leave the country's nuclear program Totally obliterated as President Donald Trump claimed and a long shot bid to impeach Trump over the strikes overwhelmingly failed.

  • But let's start with a big question.

  • What is national leadership really look like?

  • Because running a country is hard.

  • Despite all of Trump's rhetoric back in 2016, it's not like running a business.

  • It's not even like running a state.

  • It's running a massive apparatus that contains millions of people and also a military and also dealing with every other country that needs to or wants to deal with your country or another country you're friends with or not friends with for reasons,

  • frequently while also managing a crisis.

  • It's no wonder then that every president of the United States enters office after winning the election with joy and excitement and then eventually starts to sound like this.

  • if even just internally.

  • We basically have two countries that have been fighting so long and so hard that they don't know what the fuck they're doing.

  • You understand that?

  • Yes, Trump was talking about Israel and Iran on Tuesday,

  • but honestly, he could be talking about pretty much anything.