The Wolf-Krugman Exchange: AI hype vs reality

狼-克鲁格曼对话:人工智能炒作与现实

The Economics Show

2025-06-24

41 分钟
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In the fourth of this six-part series of The Economics Show, Martin Wolf, the FT’s chief economics commentator, and Nobel Prize-winning economist Paul Krugman ask if advances in artificial intelligence will reshape the working world as we know it. Or are we hearing an old familiar story that has been told many times before?  Paul Krugman’s Cultural Coda: Loretta Lynn - "Coal Miner's Daughter":  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9eHp7JJgq8&list=RDf9eHp7JJgq8&start_radio=1 Martin Wolf’s Cultural Coda: Thomas Mann's The Magic Mountain, published in 1924. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Magic_Mountain Read Martin Wolf's selection of the best economics summer reads for 2025 here Read Martin’s FT column here Subscribe to Paul’s substack here If you’d like to get in touch and ask Martin and Paul a question, please email economics.show@ft.com    Subscribe and listen to this series on The Economics Show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Pocket Casts or wherever you listen to podcasts. Episodes are also available on the FT’s YouTube channel. The Wolf-Krugman Exchange is produced by Sandra Kanthal and Mischa Frankl-Duval, and the broadcast engineer is Andrew Georgiades. The sound engineer is Jean-Marc Eck. Manuela Saragosa is the FT’s acting co-head of audio. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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  • I hope you've been enjoying these, by the way.

  • Oh, it's been fun.

  • I don't think I've ever met anyone, certainly not in his 70s,

  • who sustained the work output that you have in the last few months.

  • It's partly just, you know, what should I be doing?

  • It's true that there were a few periods when I kind of now regret spending quite so much time on the newsletter and less time.

  • Drinking apparel spritzes in the piazza when we were in Italy.

  • Yeah So let's go and talk about artificial intelligence,

  • which is a nice change This is the fourth in our series the wolf Krugman exchange I'm Martin wolf chief economics commentator at the Financial Times And I'm Paul Krugman,

  • professor at the City University of New York, author of an independent, sub-stack newsletter.

  • Today's episode is being recorded on Friday, June 20th at 10.30 in Massachusetts,

  • because I'm actually not in New York right now, which is 3.30 in the afternoon over in London.

  • And we're recording it on Friday

  • because next week I'm going to be in India and the only rational explanation for this I'm going to be in Delhi is that the 30 degrees centigrade plus temperatures that we're experiencing here in London will there instead I'll get a properly hot day I imagine around about 45.

  • Yeah well I think I'll keep busy and I am someplace which is marginally cooler.

  • So we decided that this week we would look at artificial intelligence partly

  • because it allows us not to spend a whole time talking about what's going on in the US right now.

  • And so we will look at artificial intelligence itself,

  • but also how its impact is beginning to spread through our economies and our lives,

  • and what its longer-term implications might possibly be.