2025-06-19
1 小时 23 分钟All right, welcome back.
I'm Jared and you are listening to The Change Log, where each week we interview the hackers,
the leaders, and the innovators of the software world to pick their brains,
to learn from their failures, to get inspired by their accomplishments,
and to have a lot of fun along the way.
On this episode, I'm joined by Carson Gross, who calls himself the CEO of HTMX,
which you shouldn't take seriously because Carson doesn't.
HTMX is a small, zero-dependency JavaScript library that he says completes HTML as a hypertext.
Carson built it because he's big on hypermedia.
You might even say he's hyped about hypermedia, if you're a nerd like me.
He's so hyped, he even wrote a book called Hypermedia Systems.
Carson has a lot of strong opinions, weekly held, that we dive into in this conversation.
It's a ride.
I think you'll enjoy it.
But first, a big thank you to our partners at Fly.io,
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Okay, Carson Gross on the changelog.