Is a US fiscal crisis ahead?

美国是否会面临财政危机?

Goldman Sachs Exchanges

2025-06-19

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Concerns about the fiscal trajectory of the US are nothing new. But is this time different? And what could a fiscal crisis look like? Economist Kenneth Rogoff and historian Niall Ferguson discuss with Allison Nathan. This episode explores the latest Top of Mind report. This episode was recorded on May 30, June 5, and June 17, 2025. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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  • Is America in fiscal trouble?

  • Concerns about the U.S. deficit have surged,

  • but worries about the fiscal situation of the United States are nothing new.

  • So is this time really different?

  • I'm Allison Nathan, and this is Goldman Sachs Exchanges.

  • Each month, I speak with investors, policymakers,

  • and academics about the most pressing market-moving issues for our top-of-mind report from Goldman Sachs Research.

  • This month, I spoke with two people who have long worried about the U.S. fiscal trajectory.

  • economist Ken Rogoff, a professor at Harvard University,

  • and historian Neil Ferguson of Stanford's Hoover Institution and Harvard's Belfer Center.

  • Both agreed this time is different and are worried about the U.S. fiscal situation today.

  • So I started by asking them why that is.

  • Here's what Ken Rogoff had to say.

  • I think the big change is that global long-term real interest rates have risen.

  • In my opinion, they've normalized.

  • The whole stuff about lower forever secular stagnation was always wildly overblown.

  • And I've been debating this for over a decade,

  • saying that if you look at the longer-term behavior of real interest rates, they go in cycles.

  • but there's a lot of regression to mean,

  • and no one should have ever planned on there being low forever.