#2338 - Beth Shapiro

#2338 - 贝丝·夏皮罗

The Joe Rogan Experience

2025-06-18

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Beth Shapiro, Ph.D., is an evolutionary molecular biologist and Chief Science Officer at Colossal Biosciences. She’s also the author of “Life as We Made It: How 50,000 Years of Human Innovation Refined―and Redefined―Nature.”https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/beth-shapiro/life-as-we-made-it/9781541644151https://colossal.com/team/beth-shapiro-ph-d/ This episode is brought to you by WHOOP. Unlock Yourself 50% off your first box at https://www.thefarmersdog.com/rogan! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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  • Hello Beth Hello, this is very great to see you again.

  • I am pleased to be here It's been really interesting getting to talk to you and communicating with you and all the stuff that you guys have done that colossal has been insane So why don't just tell everybody what your background is and what you do?

  • I'm a scientist.

  • I work in a crazy field called ancient DNA, sometimes called paleogenomics.

  • It means we go out into the world, we dig shit up, and we extract DNA from it.

  • And what is fantastic about that is it's being a modern-day explorer.

  • I get to go somewhere,

  • I get to find out something new that completely rewrites what we thought we knew,

  • and it's brilliant.

  • And I get to fight with people a lot.

  • And because I love to fight,

  • I recently quit my academic job and moved to become the chief science officer at Colossal,

  • the company that has just made those dire wolves.

  • Why do you like to fight with people?

  • I don't really like to fight with people.

  • I just felt like it was the right thing to say at this minute.

  • I end up fighting with people, though, not because I want to,

  • but because I feel like I have to defend what I think is the way that we should be doing science.

  • Well, it's certainly a controversial subject, and you guys are certainly groundbreakers.

  • So whenever there's a controversial subject and people are groundbreakers,