How to Grow From Doing Hard Things | Michael Easter

如何从做难事中成长 | 迈克尔·伊斯特

Huberman Lab

2025-06-16

3 小时 5 分钟
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My guest is Michael Easter, a professor at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas and best-selling author. We discuss how particular daily life choices undermine our level of joy, our sense of purpose, our physical and our mental health and the daily, weekly, monthly and yearly steps we can all take to vastly increase our level of motivation, gratitude and overall life satisfaction. We discuss how effortful foraging for information, undistracted reflection and physical exercise are ways to ‘invest’ and therefore grow our levels of dopamine, energy and motivation, whereas low-friction activities are specifically designed to hijack or diminish them. We also discuss dopamine reward circuitry in the context of how to build and reset one’s energy levels and create a deeper sense of purpose in work, creative pursuits and relationships. Read the episode show notes at hubermanlab.com. Thank you to our sponsors AG1: https://drinkag1.com/huberman Maui Nui: https://drinkag1.com/huberman Helix Sleep: https://drinkag1.com/huberman Mateina: https://drinkmateina.com/huberman Function: https://functionhealth.com/huberman Timestamps 00:00:00 Michael Easter 00:02:14 Discomforts, Modern vs Ancient Life 00:07:35 Sponsors: Maui Nui & Helix Sleep 00:10:17 Modern Problems, Exercise, Trail vs Treadmill Running, Optic Flow, Hunting 00:20:01 Risk & Rewards, Intellectual vs Experiential Understanding 00:23:39 Modern Luxuries, First-World Problems, Gratitude, Tool: Volunteer 00:34:33 Rites of Passage, Tool: Challenge, Narrative & Purpose; Embracing Discomfort 00:40:43 Sponsors: AG1 & Mateina 00:43:33 Choice, 2% Study, Silence, Tools: Do Slightly Harder Things; Notice Resistance 00:54:05 Cognitive Challenges, Walking, Screens, Tool: Sitting with Boredom 01:01:53 Capturing Ideas, Attractor States, Tool: Being in Nature 01:06:50 2% Rule, Rites of Passage, Tool: Misogi Challenge 01:14:12 Phones, Sharing with Others, Social Media, Tool: Reflection vs Screen Time 01:23:23 Dopamine, Spending vs Investing, Guilt 01:29:48 Sponsor: Function 01:31:35 Relaxation, Shared Identities & Community, Music, Tool: In-Person Meeting 01:38:58 Loss of Gathering Places, Internet & Distorted Views, Hitchhiking 01:45:06 Misogi & Entry Points; Daily Schedule, Caffeine Intake 01:54:37 Optimal Circadian Schedule, Work Bouts, Exercise 01:59:12 Outdoor Adventures, Backpacking & Nutrition 02:04:57 Camping & Sleeping, Nature, Three-Day Effect 02:10:10 Sea Squirts; Misogi Adventures & Cognitive Vigor, Writing, Happiness 02:17:55 Effort & Rewards, Addiction, Dopamine, Catecholamines 02:22:36 Humans, Running & Carrying Weight, Fat Loss, Tool: How to Start Rucking 02:32:32 Physical/Cognitive Pursuits & Resistance; Creative “Magic” & Foraging 02:39:27 Motivation; Slot Machines, Loss Disguised as a Win, Speed 02:46:06 Gambling, Dopamine, Addiction 02:50:29 Tool: Avoid Frictionless Foraging; Sports Betting, Speed; Junk Food, Three V’s 02:56:22 Conveniences, Technology; Upcoming Book, Satisfaction 03:02:57 Substack Links, Zero-Cost Support, YouTube, Spotify & Apple Follow & Reviews, Sponsors, YouTube Feedback, Protocols Book, Social Media, Neural Network Newsletter Disclaimer & Disclosures Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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  • Welcome to the Huberman Lab Podcast,

  • where we discuss science and science-based tools for everyday life.

  • I'm Andrew Huberman,

  • and I'm a professor of neurobiology and ophthalmology at Stanford School of Medicine.

  • My guest today is Michael Easter.

  • Michael Easter is a professor at the University of Nevada,

  • Las Vegas, and a world-renowned writer.

  • His recent work has focused on how modern conveniences undermine our mental and our physical health,

  • and as importantly, the daily, weekly, monthly,

  • and yearly steps we can all take to not just offset the damages of those conveniences,

  • but to continue to grow and improve our ability to focus,

  • to do meaningful and creative work,

  • and to derive deeper connection with others.

  • One of the reasons Michael Easter is on this podcast is that his book,

  • The Comfort Crisis, changed my daily life.

  • The Comfort Crisis made me realize that every activity available to us,

  • easy or challenging, destructive or constructive,

  • can and should be viewed through the lens of whether it spends our dopamine reserves or invest them in a worthwhile way.

  • This is a key distinction that we don't often hear about,

  • but it's one that can help you access much greater levels of focus and motivation to be able to avoid and get over addictive or compulsive behaviors.