636. Why Aren’t We Having More Babies?

为何我们生育的婴儿数量没有更多?

Freakonomics Radio

2025-06-13

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For decades, the great fear was overpopulation. Now it’s the opposite. How did this happen — and what’s being done about it? (Part one of a three-part series, “Cradle to Grave.”)   SOURCES:Matthias Doepke, professor of economics at the London School of Economics.Amy Froide, professor of history at the University of Maryland, Baltimore County.Diana Laird, professor of obstetrics and gynecology at the University of California, San Francisco.Catherine Pakaluk, professor of economics at The Catholic University of America.  RESOURCES:"Fertility Rate, Total for the United States," (Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis, 2025)."Global fertility in 204 countries and territories, 1950–2021, with forecasts to 2100: a comprehensive demographic analysis for the Global Burden of Disease Study 2021," (The Lancet, 2024)."Suddenly There Aren’t Enough Babies. The Whole World Is Alarmed." by Greg Ip and Janet Adamy (The Wall Street Journal, 2024)."Taxing bachelors and proposing marriage lotteries – how superpowers addressed declining birthrates in the past," by Amy Froide (University of Maryland, 2021)."Is Fertility a Leading Economic Indicator?" by Kasey Buckles, Daniel Hungerman, and Steven Lugauer (National Bureau of Economic Research, 2018).The King's Midwife: A History and Mystery of Madame du Coudray, by Nina Rattner Gelbart (1999).The Population Bomb, by Paul Ehrlich (1970)."An Economic Analysis of Fertility," by Gary Becker (National Bureau of Economic Research, 1960).  EXTRAS:"What Will Be the Consequences of the Latest Prenatal-Testing Technologies?" by Freakonomics Radio (2011).
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  • So you got your PhD in economics from Harvard.

  • I know that you and your husband have eight children and you are stepmom to six more children from your husband's first marriage.

  • I'm guessing there are not many other Harvard educated economists who have 14 children?

  • I don't know of any.

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  • Katherine Pakalik is an economics professor at the Catholic University of America.

  • I asked about her main areas of research.

  • Education, schools, fertility, family formation.

  • And what would you say you bring to those topics that the median economists might not bring?

  • I think I bring to the table a large number of things that are outside of the field.

  • And, you know, of course, I'd be disingenuous if I didn't add that.