2025-06-13
27 分钟This is In Conversation from Apple News.
I'm Shemeita Basu.
Today, the undercover FBI agent who infiltrated America's neo-Nazi groups.
If you've ever seen photos of modern-day militia groups or white supremacist groups,
you've probably noticed some common themes among the members.
Mostly men, mostly white, in tactical gear with tattoos, bandanas,
and patches displaying their beliefs.
And if my guest today, Scott Payne, were in one of those photos,
you probably wouldn't be able to tell him apart from the rest of them.
I usually say it jokingly, but I'm like, these are my people.
When I say these are my people, I'm not saying a white supremacist group are my people.
I'm just saying my skill set and my look and what I do leads me to those kind of cases.
Scott is a retired FBI agent who spent part of his career undercover in American hate groups.
He's out with a new book called Codename Pale Horse,
How I Went Undercover to Expose America's Nazis.
It's a remarkable account, not only of his singular career,
but also of the many criminal and hate groups that are operating in America today.
I'm not going to say millions,
like there's millions of white supremacists and Nazis are going to be on your doorstep tomorrow.
But let's just say that there are thousands and people are still being recruited.