Essentials: The Science & Practice of Perfecting Your Sleep

睡眠之道:科学与实践,完美睡眠的艺术

Huberman Lab

2025-06-12

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In this Huberman Lab Essentials episode my guest is Dr. Matt Walker, PhD, Professor of Neuroscience and Psychology at the University of California, Berkeley and host of The Matt Walker Podcast, which focuses on the science and impact of sleep. We explore the importance of sleep and how its nightly structure, including REM and non-REM stages, helps rejuvenate the mind and body. We also discuss how caffeine, alcohol, cannabis and melatonin supplements affect your ability to fall asleep and overall sleep quality. Additionally, Matt highlights the benefits of naps and shares a variety of unconventional tips to promote healthier, more restorative sleep. Read the episode show notes at hubermanlab.com. Thank you to our sponsors AG1: https://drinkag1.com/huberman Eight Sleep: https://eightsleep.com/huberman ROKA: https://roka.com/huberman Timestamps 00:00:00 Matt Walker, Sleep 00:00:25 Rapid Eye Movement (REM) & Non-REM Sleep, Paralysis 00:02:05 Sleep Cycles, Nighttime Sleep Structure, Hormones 00:07:08 Sponsor: Eight Sleep 00:08:54 Nighttime Waking Up, Fragmented Sleep 00:11:05 Sunlight Exposure & Sleep 00:12:28 Caffeine & Sleep Effects, Tool: Timing Caffeine 00:15:27 Alcohol & Sleep Effects 00:18:08 Cannabis; THC, Alcohol, REM Sleep & Dreams 00:20:24 Sponsor: ROKA 00:22:12 Melatonin, Supplementation?, Dose 00:28:18 Prescription Sleep Aids, Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT) & Sleep 00:30:36 Naps, Benefits, Insomnia, Tool: Nap Length 00:34:07 Sponsor: AG1 00:35:44 Sleep Tips, Tools: “Do Nothing”; Winddown Routine; Worry Journal; Clocks 00:39:56 Acknowledgments Disclaimer & Disclosures Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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  • Welcome to Huberman Lab Essentials,

  • where we revisit past episodes for the most potent and actionable science-based tools for mental health,

  • physical health, and performance.

  • And now, my discussion with Dr. Matt Walker.

  • Let's start off very basic.

  • What is sleep?

  • Sleep is probably the single most effective thing you can do to reset your brain and body health.

  • Sleep as a process, though,

  • is an incredibly complex physiological ballet sleep is broadly separated into these two main types and we've got non-rapid eye movement sleep on the one hand and then we've got rapid eye movement sleep on the other when you go into REM sleep you are completely paralyzed you are locked into a physical incarceration of your own body amazing the brain paralyzes the body so that the mind can dream safely

  • Because think about how quickly we would have all been popped out of the gene pool.

  • If I think I'm one of the best skydivers who can just simply fly and I get up on my apartment window and I leap out.

  • you're done you're done now of course the involuntary muscles thankfully aren't um paralyzed so you keep breathing your heart keeps beating you go through these bizarre what we call autonomic storms there are only two voluntary muscle groups that are spurred from the paralysis bizarre one Your extraocular muscles,

  • because if they were paralyzed, you wouldn't be able to have rapid eye movements.

  • And the other that we later discovered was the inner ear muscle.

  • Some people have argued that the reason the eyeballs are spurred from the paralysis is

  • because if your eyeballs are left for long periods of time inactive,

  • you may get things such as oxygen sort of issues in the aqueous or vitreous humor.

  • Eyeballs have to keep the drainage systems of the anterior eye are made to require movement.

  • Exactly.

  • People with glaucoma have deficits in drainage through the anterior chamber.