Call her Ishmaelle: a chat with Xiaolu Guo

呼唤她为以实玛利:与郭小寒的一次对话

Drum Tower

2025-06-10

36 分钟
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One of the Chinese diaspora's most celebrated artists grew up poor but surrounded by literature and art. After a string of books in her native language Xiaolu Guo found her creativity constrained. In London she began writing and making films in English—most recently a reworking of “Moby Dick”. After half a life inside China and half outside, she has illuminating views on art, love, youth and womanhood.  Rosie Blau, a former China correspondent for The Economist and a co-host of “The Intelligence”, our daily news podcast, visits Ms Guo at her home. They explore the author's formative years, her bewildering move to the West and her thoughts on Chinese art and society today. Transcripts of our podcasts are available via economist.com/podcasts. Listen to what matters most, from global politics and business to science and technology—subscribe to Economist Podcasts+. 
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  • Shaolu Guo is an extraordinary chronicler of life in China and life in exile.

  • Where others look at the changes in China's infrastructure,

  • physical and economic growth, Shaolu's subject is internal growth.

  • and the lived Cuban experience.

  • This year, she's published her most ambitious book yet,

  • a retelling of Herman Melville's Moby Dick,

  • narrated by a woman and influenced by Buddhism and Taoism.

  • I'm Rosie Bloor, co-host of The Economist daily news podcast,

  • The Intelligence, and a former China correspondent.

  • Today,

  • I'm heading to Hackney in East London to meet Xiaolu Guo and ask her what it was like to grow up in China and how much the country has really changed emotionally and psychologically.

  • This is Drum Tower from The Economist.

  • Xiaolu, thank you so much for meeting with me today.

  • And thank you for welcoming me into your home.

  • You've written 10 books in English, many in Chinese,

  • and you've directed many films as well.

  • You were born in China in 1973.

  • And you have lived in Britain and the US and elsewhere.

  • You've lived outside China since 2002.

  • And I thought I would start by just going back to the beginning, really.