How President Trump's Pardons Are Challenging Political Norms

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  Hi, this is Doug in Haverhill, Massachusetts.

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  I just finished mowing my lawn for the first time this year.

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  Now I'm sitting by my fire pit and enjoying a beer on one of the first nice days in spring.

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  This podcast was recorded at 1.03 p.m. on June 3rd, 2025.

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  Things may have changed by the time you hear this,

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  but hopefully I'll be back here enjoying another nice day by the fire.

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  I'm jealous.

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  I want to eat s'mores with Doug.

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  I want to know what beer he's drinking.

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  You know, I feel like just tell us the beer also.

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  Hey there, it's the NPR Politics Podcast.

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  I'm Miles Parks.

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  I cover voting.

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  I'm Carrie Johnson.

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  I cover the Justice Department.

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  And I'm Mara Liason, senior national political correspondent.

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  And today on the podcast, we are talking about presidential pardons.

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  President Trump issued 19 of them just last month,

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  and he's using them in ways that challenge longstanding political norms.

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  Mara, let's start there.

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