Dwarkesh Patel: the man who has the ear of Silicon Valley

德瓦基什·帕特尔:硅谷的倾听者

Money Talks from The Economist

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2025-04-18

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AI may be young and fast-moving, but so is Dwarkesh Patel. The 24-year-old rose from nowhere to become Silicon Valley's favourite podcaster—attracting guests such as Mark Zuckerberg and Satya Nadella. But Dwarkesh's greatest ambition has been to interrogate the leading acolytes of artificial intelligence. He's written a new book about the rise of LLMs and the future of AI, based on numerous interviews with AI researchers, CEOs, economists and philosophers. This week “Money Talks” turns the tables on him, as we ask him the questions. Hosts: Mike Bird and Ethan Wu. Guest: Dwarkesh Patel, host of “Dwarkesh Podcast” and author of "The Scaling Era: An Oral History of AI, 2019-2025”. Transcripts of our podcasts are available via economist.com/podcasts. Listen to what matters most, from global politics and business to science and technology—subscribe to Economist Podcasts+.
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  • The Economist.

  • Okay, we've got a great guest for the inaugural episode of the podcast.

  • Imagine for a moment you're 19 years old.

  • You've recently emailed a university professor out of the blue.

  • Brian Kaplan.

  • He's a professor of economics at George Mason University and a New York Times bestselling author.

  • You only wrote to him to tell him how much you liked his recent book.

  • The Case Against Education.

  • But he replies.

  • So you decide to seize the opportunity and invite him to take part in a podcast.

  • He agrees.

  • I would say I'm definitely criticized for being too radical.

  • Most of my colleagues are less radical.

  • Now, this is your first ever podcast,

  • and the production quality isn't great, but you catch a bug for it.

  • So in the following months, you interview other academics whose work fascinates you,

  • as well as a few companies' CEOs.

  • At age 21, you get to interrogate a leading light of the booming crypto scene.

  • A lot of it depends on what I end up choosing.

  • A few months before he winds up in jail for fraud.