The Fifth Floor: Russia's 'grey zone' war

第五层:俄罗斯的“灰色地带”战争

The Documentary Podcast

2025-05-31

13 分钟
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Grigor Atanesian from BBC Russian joins us to discuss the theories around 'grey zone' warfare techniques and if, why, and how Russia is deploying them against the UK. Plus, BBC Korean's Yuna Ku explains how companies and celebrities are striving to appear politically neutral before the upcoming South Korean elections; how the Grand Mosque in Mecca has been expanded over the years to accommodate large numbers of pilgrims, with Reem Alsheikh from BBC Arabic; and the story behind a 'lost' masterpiece that recently sold for $1.3m, with Merve Kara-Kaşka from BBC Turkish. Presented by Faranak Amidi Produced by Caroline Ferguson and Alice Gioia (Photo: Faranak Amidi. Credit: Tricia Yourkevich.)
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  • Welcome to the documentary from the BBC World Service.

  • This is The Fifth Floor,

  • at the heart of global storytelling with BBC journalists from all around the world.

  • I'm your host, Farinak Amidi.

  • When we think of a war between countries,

  • we usually think of physical acts of conflict, like shellings or drone strikes.

  • But over the past few years,

  • governments and the media have been using the phrase, war in the grey zone.

  • It refers to something that isn't an overt act of war,

  • but it's not peaceful cooperation either,

  • actions that are meant to meddle with or sabotage a country in some way.

  • Many countries have accused Russia of this grey zone warfare.

  • Grigor Atanasian of BBC Russian has been exploring if...

  • How and why Russia might be waging war in the gray zone.

  • Welcome to the fifth floor, Grigor.

  • Thank you.

  • So give us some examples of gray zone warfare.

  • What kind of things are we talking about when we're talking about gray zone warfare?

  • So the clever definition of the gray zone warfare is an operational space between war and peace.

  • And this could be cyber attacks,