Frontline special - Sir Ben Wallace, former UK defence secretary

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  Welcome to The World in 10.

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  In an increasingly uncertain world, this is The Times' daily podcast dedicated to global security.

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  I'm Alex Dibble, and I executive produce the podcast.

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  The World in 10 is partnered with Frontline, the interview series from Times Radio,

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  available on YouTube, with expert analysis of the world's conflicts.

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  At the weekend, we bring you Frontline interviews in full.

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  Here's one from this week.

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  I hope you find it interesting.

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  Hello and welcome to Frontline for Times Radio with me, Kate Chabot.

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  And this time we are joined by a staunch supporter of Ukraine and a leading figure in the West's response to Russia's full-scale invasion.

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  Sir Ben Wallace was Britain's Defence Secretary from 2019 to 2023.

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  He previously served as a security minister and an army officer in Britain's armed forces when he was mentioned in dispatches for gallantry.

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  Sir Ben Wallace, welcome to Frontline.

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  It's great to have you here.

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  Thank you.

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  Latest reports on the state of ceasefire talks are that Donald Trump told European leaders that Vladimir Putin doesn't want peace in Ukraine

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  because he believes he's winning the war.

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  Why would Donald Trump say this now?

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  Is he finally preparing to walk away or actually use that leverage on Putin once and for all?

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  I don't think he has any intention of using any leverage.

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