Trump’s ‘ritual humiliations’ hit US diplomacy

特朗普的“例行羞辱”冲击美国外交

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2025-05-23

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South African President Cyril Ramaphosa faced an Oval Office ‘ambush’ by Donald Trump, echoing a similar encounter with Volodymyr Zelenskyy. The Times' US Assistant Editor, David Charter, examines the fallout from Trump's tactics and their potential impact on America's standing in global diplomacy. The World in 10 is the Times' daily podcast dedicated to global security. Expert analysis of war, diplomatic relations and cyber security from The Times' foreign correspondents and military specialists.  Watch more: www.youtube.com/@ListenToTimesRadio  Read more: www.thetimes.com  Photo: Getty Images Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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  • Welcome to The World in 10.

  • In an increasingly uncertain world, this is The Times' daily podcast dedicated to global security.

  • Today with me, Toby Seeley and Stuart Willey.

  • Another week, another tense meeting in Donald Trump's Oval Office.

  • This time the turn of South Africa's President Cyril Ramaphosa to be ambushed in front of television cameras.

  • After lowering the lights and playing a video,

  • Mr Trump made false claims about a white genocide and angrily shouted down journalists challenging him.

  • It all echoed an earlier meeting in the same room where Ukraine's Volodymyr Zelensky was berated and then told to leave the White House.

  • It prompts the question,

  • could this departure from the usual polite diplomatic norms to a more muscular and direct approach,

  • shall we say, help or hinder global diplomacy?

  • With us to unpack it all is The Times' assistant US editor, David Charter.

  • David, you've been in the Oval Office as Trump welcomes leaders before.

  • What did you make of this week?

  • And how will other world leaders be framing it?

  • This is certainly Donald Trump showing that he is like the greatest exponent of the performance presidency.

  • When you combine his love of TV cameras, and the microphone with America First.

  • It really is a flashing warning sign for any leader that's got some major problem with the United States who wants to come here and have a diplomatic exchange to try and iron out those wrinkles.

  • We've seen that Trump would rather air those differences in public, at least initially,

  • before they get down to their... serious talking,