2025-05-22
10 分钟Welcome to The World in 10.
In an increasingly uncertain world, this is The Times' daily podcast dedicated to global security.
I'm Stuart Willey, today with Toby Gillis.
We're 121 days past a one-time deadline set by Donald Trump for him ending the fighting in Ukraine.
The will-he-won't-he question around whether Vladimir Putin will sit down for peace talks continues,
and there's no sign of a definitive answer.
So what's his strategy?
How long can he draw the situation out?
And is there anything that can be done to bring the Russian president to the table?
Our guest today is Edward Lucas, a specialist in European and transatlantic security,
whose latest article for The Times explores whether Trump's turmoil gives Putin a chance to strike NATO.
Edward, we'll come to that in a moment.
But first, do you think Putin is deluding himself here?
He's making... slow progress to say the least in Ukraine,
he can't possibly think he can still achieve his original objective.
This is the big chance to reverse the great geopolitical setback of 1989-91.
And he sees that the West is divided and the European bit of the West is not really ready to stand up to him either in Ukraine or anywhere else.
So he's got a window of opportunity with Ukraine on the back foot militarily and the West in disarray,
and he's going to exploit it.
How does dragging out the idea he might but might not come to talks do that?