How to Succeed at Failing, Part 4: Extreme Resiliency (Update)

如何从失败中成功,第四部分:极致弹性(更新)

Freakonomics Radio

2025-05-21

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Everyone makes mistakes. How do we learn from them? Lessons from the classroom, the Air Force, and the world’s deadliest infectious disease.   SOURCES:Will Coleman, founder and C.E.O. of Alto.Amy Edmondson, professor of leadership management at Harvard Business School.Babak Javid, physician-scientist and associate director of the University of California, San Francisco Center for Tuberculosis.Gary Klein, cognitive psychologist and pioneer in the field of naturalistic decision making.Theresa MacPhail, medical anthropologist and associate professor of science & technology studies at the Stevens Institute of Technology.Roy Shalem, lecturer at Tel Aviv University.Samuel West, curator and founder of The Museum of Failure.  RESOURCES:"A Golf Club Urinal, Colgate Lasagna and the Bitter Fight Over the Museum of Failure," by Zusha Elinson (Wall Street Journal, 2025).Right Kind of Wrong: The Science of Failing Well, by Amy Edmondson (2023).“You Think Failure Is Hard? So Is Learning From It,” by Lauren Eskreis-Winkler and Ayelet Fishbach (Perspectives on Psychological Science, 2022).“The Market for R&D Failures,” by Manuel Trajtenberg and Roy Shalem (SSRN, 2010).“Performing a Project Premortem,” by Gary Klein (Harvard Business Review, 2007).  EXTRAS:"The Deadliest Disease in Human History," by People I (Mostly) Admire (2025).“How to Succeed at Failing,” series by Freakonomics Radio (2023).“Moncef Slaoui: ‘It’s Unfortunate That It Takes a Crisis for This to Happen,'” by People I (Mostly) Admire (2020).
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  • Hey there, it's Stephen Dubner,

  • and you are about to hear the fourth and final episode of our series,

  • How to Succeed at Failing, which was first published in 2023.

  • If you missed any of the earlier episodes, they should be right there in your podcast app.

  • For this version, we have updated facts and figures as necessary.

  • As always, thanks for listening.

  • If I asked you to name the world's deadliest infectious disease, what would you say?

  • COVID-19?

  • That was the biggest infectious killer for a few years, but not anymore.

  • How about malaria?

  • Influenza?

  • HIV?

  • Those are all deadly, but not the deadliest.

  • So what's number one?

  • Actually, TB for the last 20,

  • 30 years has been the number one infectious disease killer in the world.

  • Babak Javid is a physician-scientist who studies tuberculosis, or TB.

  • You may think of TB as a 19th century disease when it was called consumption.

  • It killed John Keats, Anton Chekhov, and at least two of the Bronte sisters.

  • It killed the heroines of both La Boheme and La Traviata.