Is a Trump-Putin meeting the only way to Ukraine peace?

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  Welcome to The World in 10.

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  In an increasingly uncertain world, this is The Times' daily podcast dedicated to global security.

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  Today with me, Tom Noonan and Toby Seeley.

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  Since yesterday's phone call with Vladimir Putin,

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  Donald Trump's insisted that conversation went very well,

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  that they made progress,

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  and he believes the Russian president wants to stop his invasion of Ukraine.

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  The Kremlin was similarly positive, saying both sides are on the right track.

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  But there were little details.

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  There was no firm time frame and there was no suggestion of whether the two presidents would in fact one day meet.

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  Now that was something the White House had said before the call that Donald Trump was open to.

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  And last week his Secretary of State Marco Rubio went even further,

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  saying direct talks between the two men would be the only way to make progress to peace.

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  But is that actually true?

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  Our guest today is Emily Ferris, a specialist in Russia and its security,

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  who works at the Royal United Services Institute think tank in London.

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  Emily, let's just start with yesterday's phone call, shall we?

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  Do you think that it moved the dial at all in terms of Ukraine peace talks?

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  I don't think so substantively.

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  It's one of those meetings I think that the significance is more in the fact that it happened at all.

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