How Hegseth’s "war on woke" could backfire

赫格塞特的“反觉醒战争”可能适得其反

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2025-05-19

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The US Secretary of Defence Pete Hegseth says banning "woke" language, reducing women's participation programmes and stopping DEI initiatives will strengthen the US military and bring back a "warrior ethos". But what if those decisions take the US backwards? International security specialist Professor Bethan Greener argues they might undermine the US' ability to fight. The World in 10 is the Times' daily podcast dedicated to global security. Expert analysis of war, diplomatic relations and cyber security from The Times' foreign correspondents and military specialists.  Watch more: www.youtube.com/@ListenToTimesRadio  Read more: www.thetimes.com  Picture: Getty Images Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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  • Welcome to The World in 10.

  • In an increasingly uncertain world, this is The Times' daily podcast dedicated to global security.

  • Today with me, Tom Noonan and Toby Gillis.

  • Pete Hegseth's first months in charge of the world's most powerful military have been described by critics as chaotic and shambolic,

  • as the US Secretary of Defence fends off questions over missteps like the Signal group chats and suggestions of a purge inside the Pentagon.

  • But Mr Hegseth insists he's getting on with the job,

  • saying he aims to ensure the lethality of the US military and weed out what he calls woke ideology.

  • But what if his war on woke backfires and makes the Department of Defence weaker?

  • Recently, that's been the focus of today's guest, Professor Bethan Greener,

  • who's an international security specialist and the head of school at Massey University in New Zealand.

  • Beth,

  • it's fair to say that you disagree with Pete Hegseth's decisions and the rationale behind them.

  • Just start us off by explaining some of the changes that he's made at the DoD.

  • It's been an extraordinary few months.

  • I kind of characterize March as being removing various things.

  • So the abolishment of certain words may not agree with,

  • but we can see the rationale around words like gender or diversity,

  • perhaps, but also removing words like tolerance and most notably respect, which is.

  • effectively supposed to be one of the US Army's seven core values.

  • So the reach of this has been quite astounding.