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No one really knows, but I'm trying to find out.
From New York Times Opinion, I'm Ross Douthat.
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For decades, white South Africans ruled with an iron fist,
overseeing the country's cruel system of racial oppression.
So why is President Trump now welcoming them to the U.S. as victims?
Today, John Eligo on how the MAGA movement became obsessed with AfriConners.
It's Monday, May 19th.
John, welcome back to The Daily.
Hi, good to be here.
I don't know if you remember this, but the last time we spoke was four years ago,
almost to the month, because in the middle of the interview, my wife began to give birth to our son.
Oh, wow.