BBC Sounds. Music, radio, podcasts.
It's 1,178 days since Russia began its full-scale invasion of Ukraine.
And today, for the first time since 2022,
Ukrainian and Russian officials met for the first face-to-face talks.
And Jamie, it was a pretty formal historic setting for them,
a 19th century Ottoman palace on the Bosphorus Strait.
And when you look at the pictures, there was a real symmetry to the room.
There was.
And in contrast to those previous talks three years ago,
they were not on either side of one long table.
It was very much a table that was in a square horseshoe shape, if you like.
The Ukrainians were on one side.
The Russians were on the other side.
There was a physical distance.
There were no handshakes.
perhaps as we might have expected given the difficulties getting to this point.
But it happened.
It happened.
We were waiting.
We were watching.