Bonus: Globalisation can be slowed, but not stopped

全球化可以放缓,但无法停止。

The Economics Show

2025-05-15

31 分钟
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Donald Trump’s trade policies have put global markets through the mill in recent weeks. But his policies didn’t come from nowhere. Aspects of US protectionism preceded Trump’s second term – and countries across the world have been pushing for greater self-sufficiency for some time. Is this drive for greater self-sufficiency misguided? Is true self-sufficiency even possible? Or might the secret to economic security come from more co-operation, not less? The FT’s senior business writer Andrew Hill sits down with Ben Chu to discuss the findings from his new book: "Exile Economics: What Happens if Globalisation Fails." Chu is the policy and analysis correspondent at BBC Verify and was previously the economics editor of BBC Newsnight. For further reading: The old global economic order is dead Britain’s trade deal with Trump may not be good news for the world Tariffs are a bet on the free market rather than free trade The business lessons to draw from Trump’s dealmaking Subscribe to The Economics Show on Apple, Spotify, Pocket Casts or wherever you listen.  Presented by Andrew Hill. Produced by Mischa Frankl-Duval. Flo Phillips is the executive producer. Original music and sound design by Breen Turner. The FT’s acting co-head of audio is Manuela Saragosa. Read a transcript of this episode on FT.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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  • So in a way, I mean,

  • Donald Trump has taken these intellectual currents saying we should be more self-reliant from thinkers down from Jean-Jacques Rousseau in the Enlightenment to Thomas Aquinas in the early Christian era.

  • I haven't heard him cite Rousseau lately.

  • The rollout of Trump's tariffs on global trading partners is reversing decades of closer economic integration between the nations of the world.

  • As we're seeing in the UK,

  • The president is now showing some willingness to strike individual trade deals.

  • But, as my colleague Martin Wolf put it in the FT just recently,

  • the old global economic order is dead.

  • But Trump's tariffs didn't happen in a vacuum.

  • Globalization did cause pain to many.

  • Today I'm asking, did it go too far?

  • Can countries ever make it on their own?

  • And what might governments outside the US do?

  • to mitigate the impact of an isolationist America.

  • This is The Economics Show.

  • I'm Andrew Hill, the FT's senior business writer.

  • Here to discuss these questions and more is Ben Chu.

  • Ben is the policy and analysis correspondent at BBC Verify and was previously the economics editor of BBC Newsnight.

  • He's also the author of Exile Economics,

  • a new book about how globalization can't stop but could fail.