What we misunderstand about gun violence

我们对枪支暴力的误解

The Indicator from Planet Money

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2025-05-14

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The U.S. is known around the world for its problem with gun violence. The vast majority of murders in the U.S. are committed using guns. But what leads one person to shoot another? The "conventional wisdom" says gun violence is usually the act of calculated criminals or people acting out of desperate economic circumstances. But economist Jens Ludwig believes the conventional wisdom is wrong. Today on the show, he explains why he believes many of us fundamentally misunderstand the problem of gun violence and how behavioral economics reveals some potential solutions. Jens's new book detailing his research into gun violence is called "Unforgiving Places: The Unexpected Origins of American Gun Violence". Related episodes:Can credit card codes help address gun violence? The money going into and out of gun stocksGuns and The Trump Slump For sponsor-free episodes of The Indicator from Planet Money, subscribe to Planet Money+ via Apple Podcasts or at plus.npr.org. Fact-checking by Sierra Juarez. Music by Drop Electric. Find us: TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, Newsletter. Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoices NPR Privacy Policy
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  • NPR. Jens Ludwig is an economist at the University of Chicago.

  • And for years, he's been obsessed with one of America's most intractable problems, gun violence.

  • According to Pew Research, the vast majority of murderers are committed with guns.

  • And that's why, in the mid-2000s,

  • Jens moved to Chicago's South Side, looking for an answer to this question.

  • What leads a person to shoot another?

  • And what can we do about it?

  • His research led him to all kinds of places.

  • You know, I spent a huge amount of time out in schools, in parks.

  • in courtrooms, in police stations, in the back of police cars,

  • and in tons and tons of McDonald's all over the city as well.

  • What happens at the McDonald's?

  • One of the key things that happens in a McDonald's that doesn't happen in an office is you talk to people

  • like they're real people,

  • and they talk to you like you're a real person.

  • After hours and hours of McDonald's conversations and years of crunching data,

  • Yen says he now knows a lot more about what causes gun violence.

  • And the answer is not.

  • what a lot of us have been told.

  • No wonder we haven't made more progress on this problem.