Bill Gates: how international development can survive the Trump presidency

比尔·盖茨:如何在国际发展中度过特朗普总统任期

The Economics Show

2025-05-12

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Over the past 25 years, the Gates foundation has given away more than $100bn. Much of that money has gone to healthcare and education projects outside the US – and the organisation plans to give $200bn more to various programmes in the next twenty years. But as Elon Musk and Doge feed USAID, a key partner of the foundation, “into the wood chipper,” how can Bill Gates press ahead? The FT’s Africa editor, David Pilling, speaks to Gates about running an apolitical, philanthropic entity in a politically challenging time. Read more: Bill Gates is giving away $200bn. Can his plans survive in the Trump era? Bill Gates accuses Elon Musk of ‘killing’ children with USAID cuts Elon Musk’s painful departure Subscribe to The Economics Show on Apple, Spotify, Pocket Casts or wherever you listen.  Presented by David Pilling. Produced by Mischa Frankl-Duval. Flo Phillips is the executive producer. Original music and sound design by Breen Turner. The FT’s acting co-head of audio is Manuela Saragosa. Read a transcript of this episode on FT.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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  • Since it was founded in the year 2000,

  • the Gates Foundation has given away more than $100 billion to charitable causes abroad and in the US.

  • Its founder, Bill Gates, once the world's richest man,

  • recently announced plans to spend almost all of his remaining fortune,

  • some $200 billion on global health, development and education over the next 20 years.

  • But is Elon Musk currently the world's richest man and architect of the so-called Department of Government Efficiency,

  • DOGE, undermining the work that Gates has already done?

  • Might the Trump administration go after the Gates Foundation directly?

  • Or can the former Microsoft CEO keep his charitable mission afloat in choppy political waters?

  • This is The Economics Show.

  • I'm David Pilling, the FT's Africa editor.

  • Today, you're going to hear an edited version of my recent interview with Bill Gates.

  • I spoke to him by video link at the end of April to ask him how international development can survive the Trump administration.

  • I started by asking him

  • if he's worried that the Trump administration could target the Gates Foundation over their tax-exempt status.

  • It's not at all clear that an executive order could override,

  • you know, for example, the ability of foundations to give internationally.

  • We don't know if they're going to do anything like that.

  • As you say, there were rumors to that effect, but I'm quite sure nothing has officially happened.

  • We give a lot of money internationally.