2025-05-06
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Linda, I have to ask you, are you a people pleaser?
I would say that I used to be.
before I started on this big research project about saying no and really realized how much of it was about me trying to make sure other people liked me.
And so once I started on this journey, on this project,
I really learned if I was going to make any progress, I was going to have to stop doing that.
Hey, it's Adam Grant.
We're doing something different this season of Work Life, my podcast with Ted.
I'm still an organizational psychologist, and I still study how to make work not suck.
But this season, we're pairing each of our regular episodes with a companion interview.
It might be with an expert, a practitioner,
or someone unexpected who can add a different perspective to our episode and build on and challenge what we said.
Today is our companion interview for the episode on how to say no. And who better to call on than Linda Babcock,
Professor Emerita of Economics at Carnegie Mellon.
and co-author of The No Club.
It's a club of people who help each other say no. So one day I was in my office at Carnegie Mellon,