'The Interview': Ocean Vuong Was Ready to Kill. Then a Moment of Grace Changed His Life.

《采访》:欧钦·武扬曾准备赴死。然而,一个刻骨铭心的瞬间改变了他的人生。

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2025-05-03

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  • That will actually make your life better.

  • The Wirecutter Show.

  • Available wherever you get podcasts.

  • From The New York Times, this is The Interview.

  • I'm David Marchese.

  • In a lot of ways, Ocean Vuong's life makes for a classic American success story.

  • He and his mother came to this country as refugees from Vietnam in 1990,

  • when he was just a small child.

  • They landed in Hartford, Connecticut,

  • and pretty quickly fell into a hardscrabble existence ruled by low-paying work and low expectations.

  • Until, that is, Ocean discovered literature and his own gift for writing.

  • Vuong is now one of the country's most esteemed poets, winner of a prestigious MacArthur Fellowship,

  • also known as a Genius Grant,

  • and he's a professor in the creative writing department at New York University.

  • His debut novel, On Earth We're Briefly Gorgeous,

  • came out in 2019 and became a bestseller and a bona fide millennial classic.

  • All this, and he's still only 36 years old.

  • But there's another side to Vuong's story.

  • And that's about the flip side of success and the lingering pain of his mixed-up youth.

  • It's that part of his story, the one that doesn't resolve so neatly,