American science brain drain

美利坚科学人才流失

The Indicator from Planet Money

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2025-05-02

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President Trump's federal cuts and scrutiny of academic institutions are forcing some U.S. scientists to head for the border. On today's show, an entomologist keeping America's farms safe from pests reconsiders America. And a CEO of a Canadian hospital explains how they are benefiting from the exodus. Related episodes: How much international students matter to the economy (Apple / Spotify) What happens when billions of dollars in research funding goes away (Apple / Spotify) A 'Fork in the Road' for federal employees (Apple / Spotify) For sponsor-free episodes of The Indicator from Planet Money, subscribe to Planet Money+ via Apple Podcasts or at plus.npr.org. Fact-checking by Sierra Juarez. Music by Drop Electric. Find us: TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, Newsletter. Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoices NPR Privacy Policy
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  • NPR. This is The Indicator from Planet Money.

  • I'm Adrian Ma.

  • And I'm Darren Woods.

  • And it is Jobs Friday!

  • The latest jobs numbers from the Bureau of Labor Statistics show us that 177,000 jobs were added to the U.S. economy in April.

  • The big drivers were hiring and health care, transport, and warehousing.

  • The unemployment rate stayed the same at 4.2%.

  • But given all the federal spending cuts we've covered on the show recently,

  • we wanted to zoom in on one profession in particular, scientists.

  • Yes, the slashed NIH funding and government layoffs are pushing some scientists abroad.

  • The job's website, Nature Careers,

  • saw a 32% increase in U.S.-based scientists applying for jobs elsewhere in the first three months of this year.

  • Today on the show, stories from the brain drain,

  • how a Hollywood entomologist is reconsidering America,

  • and the Canadian who's seeing an opportunity to attract world-leading health scientists over the border.

  • Armando Rosario Lebron has been into bugs ever since he was a kid in Puerto Rico.

  • Spending a lot of time in the rainforest will do that to you, I think.

  • It's one of those things where it's the closest thing to studying like a little alien sometimes.

  • It's just a joy.

  • Aw, little Armando.