Jonathan Haidt on How to Free the Anxious Generation (Part Two)

霍华德·加德纳谈如何解放焦虑的一代(第二部分)

Intelligence Squared

2025-05-02

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“This great rewiring of childhood, I argue, is the single largest reason for the tidal wave of adolescent mental illness that began in the early 2010s.” — Jonathan Haidt The mental health of young people has become one of the most pressing issues of our time. In recent months, debates have raged about the impact of smartphones on adolescent wellbeing: Should they be banned in schools? Should children under 14 or 16 even have access to them? These questions have fuelled a growing movement to address the crisis in youth mental health — and no one has done more to lead this conversation than American social psychologist Jonathan Haidt. Haidt’s groundbreaking book, The Anxious Generation: How the Great Rewiring of Childhood Is Causing an Epidemic of Mental Illness, has topped bestseller lists on both sides of the Atlantic, sparking urgent conversations among parents, educators and policymakers. Drawing on years of research, Haidt argues that the dramatic rise in adolescent mental distress is linked to two seismic shifts: the decline of free play in childhood and the proliferation of smartphones. As the paperback edition of The Anxious Generation hit the shelves, Haidt returned to the UK to share a hopeful message: it’s not too late to act. In conversation with BBC journalist Jonny Dymond, he outlined practical strategies for parents, teachers and teenagers to counter the forces eroding mental wellbeing — and inspire a new generation to thrive. ------- This is the first instalment of a two-part episode. If you'd like to become a Member and get access to all our full ad free conversations, plus all of our Members-only content, just visit intelligencesquared.com/membership to find out more. For £4.99 per month you'll also receive: - Full-length and ad-free Intelligence Squared episodes, wherever you get your podcasts - Bonus Intelligence Squared podcasts, curated feeds and members exclusive series - 15% discount on livestreams and in-person tickets for all Intelligence Squared events  ...  Or Subscribe on Apple for £4.99: - Full-length and ad-free Intelligence Squared podcasts - Bonus Intelligence Squared podcasts, curated feeds and members exclusive series … Already a subscriber? Thank you for supporting our mission to foster honest debate and compelling conversations! Visit intelligencesquared.com to explore all your benefits including ad-free podcasts, exclusive bonus content and early access. … Subscribe to our newsletter here to hear about our latest events, discounts and much more. https://www.intelligencesquared.com/newsletter-signup/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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  • Welcome to Intelligence Squared, where great minds meet.

  • I'm producer Leila Ismail.

  • Our guest on the podcast today is renowned social psychologist and best-selling author Jonathan Haidt.

  • He joined us live on stage at the Emanuel Center in London on April 24th, 2025,

  • to discuss his book, The Anxious Generation,

  • how the great rewiring of childhood is causing an epidemic of mental illness.

  • In conversation with broadcaster and journalist Johnny Diamond, Haidt explored how smartphones,

  • social media and overprotection have transformed childhood and what we can do to reverse the damage.

  • Now let's join our host Johnny Diamond live on stage with Jonathan Haidt.

  • You write.

  • We need to take back control of our lives.

  • Take back control is a phrase that many people in Britain will remember.

  • It's the slogan of the Leave campaign and the Brexit referendum.

  • I think you mean it slightly differently from that.

  • Yeah, it's that Leave smartphones.

  • Leave the phone-based childhood.

  • Let's have a vote on it.

  • Can I speak you up on a couple of points?

  • One is that that presumes that people have agency,

  • and a fair number of people would challenge that on various different grounds,