632. When Did We All Start Watching Documentaries?

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Freakonomics Radio

社会与文化

2025-05-02

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It used to be that making documentary films meant taking a vow of poverty (and obscurity). The streaming revolution changed that. Award-winning filmmaker R.J. Cutler talks to Stephen Dubner about capturing Billie Eilish’s musical genius and Martha Stewart’s vulnerability — and why he really, really, really needs to make a film about the New York Mets.   SOURCES:R.J. Cutler, filmmaker.  RESOURCES:Fight for Glory, documentary (2025).Martha, documentary (2024)."Reality Check: The Boom—or Glut—in Streaming Documentaries Has Sparked a Reckoning Among Filmmakers and Their Subjects," by Reeves Wiedeman (Vulture, 2023)."Inside the Documentary Cash Grab," by Mia Galuppo and Katie Kilkenny (The Hollywood Reporter, 2022).Billie Eilish: The World’s a Little Blurry, documentary (2021).  EXTRAS:“Ari Emanuel Is Never Indifferent,” by Freakonomics Radio (2023).
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  • Over the past few episodes of Freakonomics Radio, we dug into the economics of live theater,

  • and we followed one show on its long journey toward Broadway.

  • In that series, we learned that live theater has become very expensive to produce,

  • so ticket prices have also risen, and at the same time, attendance is falling.

  • So if fewer people are watching plays and musicals, what are they watching?

  • A lot of them are watching documentary films.

  • This explosion of documentary on streaming,

  • the conviction that this was a popular art form and its full popularity was just waiting to happen,

  • is what matters most.

  • R.J.

  • Cutler is an Emmy Award-winning filmmaker who has produced and or directed dozens of documentaries.

  • You may not know his name, but there's a good chance you've seen his work.

  • Martha, his film about Martha Stewart, has been a big hit on Netflix.

  • He recently made a film about the young pop star Billie Eilish called The World's a Little Blurry and a film about the old pop star Elton John called Never Too Late.

  • His 2009 film, The September Issue,

  • shadowed Vogue magazine editor Anna Wintour and her colleague and sometimes antagonist Grace Coddington.

  • Cutler has also made a number of political documentaries like The World According to Dick Cheney and A Perfect Candidate about the failed Senate race of Oliver North and his first film,

  • The War Room, which was about Bill Clinton's first presidential campaign.

  • That one was nominated for an Academy Award.

  • Cutler's most recent project is a docu-series on Apple TV Plus called Fight for Glory about the 2024 World Series.