2025-05-02
1 小时 39 分钟What's up, friends?
Welcome back.
This is your favorite podcast, The Changelog.
We feature the hackers, the leaders, and those innovating in the world of software.
I'm Adam Stachowiak, Editor-in-Chief here at Changelog,
and today I'm talking to my good friend, Drew Wilson.
Drew is a designer, an engineer, and really so much more.
Drew is a true modern renaissance man.
Drew and I have been friends for a very long time,
but it's been a while since we talked, and today you get to peek behind the scenes.
of this fun conversation a while back drew started a company called plasso that got acquired by godaddy he started a bank called letter that ultimately did not work out he shared that story and so much more a massive thank you to our friends and our partners over at fly.io yes the public cloud bill for developers who ship that you that's me that's us you can learn more at fly.io okay let's talk to drew wilson Well,
friends, I'm here with Terrence Lee talking about what's coming for the next generation of Heroku.
They're calling this next gen fur.
Terrence, one of the biggest moves for fur in this next generation of Heroku,
it's being built on open standards and cloud native.
What can you share about this journey?
If you look at the last.
half a decade or so like there's been a lot that's changed in the industry a lot of the 12 factorisms that have been popularized and are well accepted uh even outside the ruby community are things that are think table stakes for building modern applications right and so being able to take all those things from kind of 10 14 years ago being able to revisit and be like okay we helped popularize a lot of these things we now don't need to be our own island of this stuff and it's just better to be part of the broader ecosystem
like you said since heroic I mean,
I feel like Heroku's been the gold standard.