US-Ukraine minerals deal a “win-win”

美乌矿产协议实现“双赢”

World in 10

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2025-05-01

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A long-awaited agreement on Ukraine’s natural resources has been signed in Washington, with the first tranche of American weapons approved soon after. Orysia Lutsevych from Chatham House joins us to discuss how the deal is being met with cautious optimism — and what it could mean for Ukraine’s future. The World in 10 is the Times' daily podcast dedicated to global security. Expert analysis of war, diplomatic relations and cyber security from The Times' foreign correspondents and military specialists.  Watch more: www.youtube.com/@ListenToTimesRadio  Read more: www.thetimes.com  Photo: Yulia Svyrydenko via Facebook Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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  • Welcome to The World in 10.

  • In an increasingly uncertain world, this is The Times' daily podcast dedicated to global security.

  • Today with me, Alex Dibble and Stuart Willey.

  • After months of negotiations and many bumps in the road,

  • including the now notorious bust-up in the Oval Office,

  • Kiev and Washington have signed a deal to share the profits from Ukraine's natural resources.

  • And it sparked hope for Ukrainians,

  • now feeling more confident they may have the long-term support of Donald Trump.

  • And hours after the signing,

  • evidence of that support in Trump's sign-off of $50 million of military supplies,

  • the first such approval since he took office.

  • To talk us through how the deal is being seen with us today is Arisia Lutzevich,

  • head of the Ukraine Forum at the think tank Chatham House.

  • Arisia, this long-awaited deal has now been signed.

  • While we might not have all the details yet, what is your take on it?

  • I think it's a win-win deal.

  • I think it's in the spirit of making it...

  • kind of profitable, both for Ukrainian and American people.

  • And indeed, you know, Ukraine is a large economy.

  • It has rich natural resources.