Trump’s 100 days: the end of the West as we know it

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  Welcome to The World in 10.

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  In an increasingly uncertain world, this is The Times' daily podcast dedicated to global security.

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  Today with me, Alex Dibble and Toby Gillis.

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  Donald Trump's first 100 days back in the White House have been nothing

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  if not wave-making across the entire globe.

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  In one recent interview, the leader of the European Commission,

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  Ursula von der Leyen, declared the West as we know it.

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  no longer exists.

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  We're exploring that today and looking at it from a historical perspective with our guest Jim Townsend,

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  the former Pentagon official who served as Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defence for European and NATO policy.

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  Jim, I know that you agree that it is the end of the West as we knew it.

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  What does that mean exactly and is it necessarily a negative thing?

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  Well, you know, that's an important question,

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  and I guess I should really try to clarify what I meant by that.

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  You know, it's the end of the West as we knew it from the Second World War.

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  probably up until maybe the 1990s, when certainly in the United States,

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  you could detect a split, not as pronounced as today,

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  but a split of the United States trying to figure out what does it want to do now that the Cold War is over?

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  Are we still the policeman of the world?

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  How much does this liberal world order mean to us?

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