Trump Is Enjoying Himself

特朗普自得其乐

Radio Atlantic

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2025-04-28

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Why would President Donald Trump invite The Atlantic’s editor in chief, Jeffrey Goldberg, whom Trump has attacked as a “total sleazebag,” to meet with him in the Oval Office? We talk with Goldberg about what Trump told him about Signalgate. We also talk with Atlantic staff writers Ashley Parker and Michael Scherer about the lessons Trump learned from his time in the political wilderness, and how he is applying them in his second term (which he is apparently experiencing as a grand adventure). Get more from your favorite Atlantic voices when you subscribe. You’ll enjoy unlimited access to Pulitzer-winning journalism, from clear-eyed analysis and insight on breaking news to fascinating explorations of our world. Subscribe today at TheAtlantic.com/podsub. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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  • Okay, Jeff, you get invited to the Oval Office.

  • Yes.

  • By a guy.

  • By a guy.

  • Who has referred to you as a total sleazebag and the editor of a failing magazine.

  • Yeah.

  • How did you expect he would receive you?

  • Like, as you were going over there, what did you think was going to happen?

  • 80% he would be full charm offensive.

  • 20% he would start yelling at me.

  • This is The Atlantic's editor-in-chief, Jeffrey Goldberg, talking about Donald Trump, of course.

  • I figured that people on the staff, on his team,

  • might be a little dubious about this whole operation.

  • And they were.

  • That was facially obvious, as they say.

  • But no, him, I figured, I kind of guessed this correctly,

  • I figured he was bringing me over there to try to charm me.

  • This is Radio Atlantic.

  • I'm Hannah Rosen.

  • Not long before Jeff and Atlantic staff writers Michael Shearer and Ashley Parker met in the Oval Office on Thursday,