Frontline special - Professor Mark Galeotti

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  Welcome to The World in 10.

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  In an increasingly uncertain world, this is The Times' daily podcast dedicated to global security.

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  I'm Alex Dibble and I executive produce the podcast.

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  The World in 10 is partnered with Frontline, the interview series from Times Radio,

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  available on YouTube, with expert analysis of the world's conflicts.

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  At the weekend, we bring you Frontline interviews in full.

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  Here's one from this week.

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  I hope you find it interesting.

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  Hello and welcome to Frontline with me, Philip Ingram.

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  Now, today we're talking to Professor Mark Gagliotti.

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  Professor Mark is one of the world's leading experts on Russian crime and security and is on Russia's banned list,

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  but he's an old friend of the show.

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  So, Mark, welcome back to Frontline.

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  Good to be here.

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  Now, today, we're supposed to have the senior diplomats from European nations with Marcus Rubio,

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  the US Secretary of State, in London.

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  taking forward the peace negotiations, the ceasefire negotiations or anything else.

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  But then Marcus Rubio says he's not coming.

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  Most of the other European senior diplomats say, well, if he's not coming, we're not coming.

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  And they've handed over to their lackeys, those that are the number twos.

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