Signal chats, leaks, and sackings... What's going on in the Pentagon?

信号聊天、泄密和解职……五角大楼里究竟发生了什么?

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2025-04-25

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There’s trouble in the Pentagon - again! Pete Hegseth and Donald Trump have dismissed new reports that the defence secretary sent details of confidential military plans to his wife, brother, and personal lawyer on Signal. They both criticised journalists at the annual White House Easter event between egg related activities, but reports keep coming about unrest at the top of the defence department. Justin, Marianna, and Anthony discuss whether Hegseth will survive or not and whether the accusations could start also damaging Trump’s reputation. Plus, have we found the oldest Americast listener? HOSTS: • Justin Webb, Radio 4 presenter • Anthony Zurcher, North America Correspondent • Marianna Spring, Social Media Investigations Senior Correspondent GET IN TOUCH: • Join our online community: https://discord.gg/qSrxqNcmRB • Send us a message or voice note via WhatsApp to +44 330 123 9480 • Email Americast@bbc.co.uk • Or use #Americast This episode was made by George Dabby, Rufus Gray, Grace Reeve and Claire Betzer. The technical producer was Jack Graysmark. The series producer was Chris Flynn. The senior news editor is Sam Bonham. If you want to be notified every time we publish a new episode, please subscribe to us on BBC Sounds by hitting the subscribe button on the app. You can now listen to Americast on a smart speaker. If you want to listen, just say "Ask BBC Sounds to play Americast”. It works on most smart speakers. US Election Unspun: Sign up for Anthony’s BBC newsletter: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68093155 Americast is part of the BBC News Podcasts family of podcasts. The team that makes Americast also makes lots of other podcasts, including The Global Story, The Today Podcast, and of course Newscast and Ukrainecast. If you enjoy Americast (and if you're reading this then you hopefully do), then we think that you will enjoy some of our other pods too. See links below. The Global Story: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/brand/w13xtvsd The Today Podcast: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/brand/p0gg4k6r Newscast: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/series/p05299nl Ukrainecast: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/brand/p0bqztzm
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  • So I'm really proud of what we're doing for the President,

  • fighting hard across the board, and I'm going to go roll some Easter eggs with my kids.

  • Roll those eggs.

  • That's not quite as random as it sounds.

  • It was the Defence Secretary, Pete Hegseth,

  • you may have recognised his voice, this week being forced to defend himself again.

  • at an Easter egg roll event at the White House because he's been accused,

  • again, of sharing information about military strikes in another Signal group chat.

  • And the Easter-themed nature of politicians' communications might seem like the weirdest thing here,

  • but perhaps the most strange is that actually...

  • Certainly in this administration, it seems like Pete Hegseth is safe,

  • but lots of the people around him are not so much.

  • Because as this has all been playing out in public,

  • there are reports of total chaos in the Defence Department as Pete Hegseth grapples with the kinds of stuff that seems to be making its way into the media.

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