We're living in interesting times, a turning point in history.
Are we entering a dark authoritarian era?
Or are we on the brink of a technological golden age or the apocalypse?
No one really knows, but I'm trying to find out.
From New York Times Opinion, I'm Ross Douthat.
And on my show, Interesting Times,
I'm exploring this strange new world order with the thinkers and leaders giving it shape.
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From The New York Times, I'm Rachel Abrams and this is The Daily.
In recent weeks,
the Trump administration has deported hundreds of Venezuelan migrants by quickly labeling them as gang members and foreign enemies,
boarding them on planes to El Salvador,
and sidestepping their rights to a court hearing where anyone might be able to scrutinize the claims made against them.
As a result,
Very little has been known about who these men are or how they were targeted by immigration officials,
until now.
Today,
my colleague Julie Turkowitz explains who was actually on those planes and the secretive process that led to their deportations.
It's Wednesday, April 23rd.
So, Julie, as a lot of our listeners know,