We're living in interesting times, a turning point in history.
Are we entering a dark authoritarian era?
Or are we on the brink of a technological golden age or the apocalypse?
No one really knows, but I'm trying to find out.
From New York Times Opinion, I'm Ross Douthat.
And on my show, Interesting Times,
I'm exploring this strange new world order with the thinkers and leaders giving it shape.
Follow it wherever you get your podcasts.
From The New York Times, I'm Michael Barbaro.
This is The Daily.
On Monday, church bells rang out across the world.
From Mexico City.
To Paris.
To Kurdistan.
to mark the death of Pope Francis at the age of 88.
Today, I speak with my colleague, Rome Bureau Chief Jason Horowitz,
about the Pope's push to change the Church,
his bitter clashes with traditionalists,
and what his papacy ultimately means to the world's 1.4 billion Catholics.
It's Tuesday, April 22nd.