We are living in interesting times, a turning point in history.
Are we entering a dark authoritarian era,
or are we on the brink of a technological golden age or the apocalypse?
No one really knows, but I'm trying to find out.
From New York Times' opinion, I'm Ross Douthat and on my show, Interesting Times,
I'm exploring this strange new world order with the thinkers and leaders giving its shape.
Follow it wherever you get your podcasts.
From New York Times, I'm Michael Barbaro.
This is The Daily.
Across the country,
millions of Americans with unpaid student loans are discovering
that years of patience and forgiveness from the US government have officially come to an end.
Today, Stacey Cowley on what's behind the change of heart, its financial consequences for borrowers,
and the larger reckoning that it could finally trigger about how Americans pay for higher education.
It's Monday, April 21st.
That we have had a version of this conversation with you?
Fourth, I think.
Oh, excuse me.
A lot of developments along the way.
Well, that's right.