What if we get climate solutions right? (w/ Ayana Elizabeth Johnson)

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  Hey everyone!

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  I recently had such a fun conversation with Rachel Hampton,

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  the new host of the Normal Gossip podcast for an episode of this show, How to Be a Better Human.

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  It was all about how to tell juicy stories.

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  And if you haven't already heard it, you can find it in our feed.

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  But why I'm here today is to tell you to listen to the new season of Normal Gossip,

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  which is out now.

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  It is truly one of my favorite podcasts of all time, and they're back for their eighth season.

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  So many wild stories, so many hilarious guests.

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  Do yourself a favor and listen to Normal Gossip wherever you get your podcasts.

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  You're listening to How to Be a Better Human.

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  I am your host, Chris Duffy, and today on the show, we have Ayanna Elizabeth Johnson.

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  Now, Ayanna is someone who has completely changed the way that I think about the climate crisis.

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  And that's not because she convinced me that it's not a big deal.

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  It's also not because she convinced me

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  that it is such a big deal that we are all completely doomed and there's no way to possibly do anything about it.

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  No,

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  what Ayanna has done for me is to get me to think about how much better and more incredible our world would be

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  if we make the changes that we're going to need to make.

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  So often,

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