Life on the UK’s nuclear submarines and the strategic genius of Taylor Swift

Journalist Vincent McAviney joins Georgina Godwin to discuss Washington’s threat to abandon Ukraine, life on the UK’s nuclear submarines and robots running in a Beijing half-marathon. Plus: Monocle’s Monica Lillis speaks to Kevin Evers, senior editor at ‘Harvard Business Review’, about his new book on the strategic genius of Taylor Swift. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.